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Phedre_D
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The graphics of AOC are so stunning! I didn't even realize how good they really are. But yesterday I went to play COV for a little bit. And it all felt blend. I was clearly playing a computer game, not really submerging into a virtual world. I got that same feeling when I looked at these once stunning screenshots from EQ2 here or GW here. Although I want to tell myself a good game is mostly about the game mechanics and story telling, but that would be a lie. The graphics are very important. And AOC has spoiled me rotten. If I ever get bored with AOC I'll have to wait for a new MMO since I'll never be able to get into these 'old' games anymore.
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lani
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I know what you mean.
Funny thing is, I didn't have quite the same reaction going from Vanguard back to CoX. Vanguard's the only MMO out right now that's in the same league with AoC graphics wise. I think the difference was that Vanguard's animations were piss-poor compared to both CoX and AoC.
But to be honest, CoX ranks high on animations and low on world detail. GW's graphics engine's a study in how to get more out of less, but it did start out as DirectX 8 and got some DirectX 9 features in. Same as with CoX (mostly Ragdoll and PhysX stuff there). EQ-II was a full DX9 game and you can tell the difference between that and say CoX/GW.
A true DX 9 game can be closer to AoC in shape and feel, but you still need a studio going for a realistic look rather than some form of abstracted art style (aka toony) . As Blizzard's made clear, a toony style helps with the longevity of a game.
I'm not looking consciously beyond AoC at the moment, but there's not much in the way of realistic looking MMO's coming out anytime soon. Huxley? I think that might launch at a bad time due to Duke Nukem Forever coming out in the same month. Star Trek Online? It's still mystical who's doing it and I don't see myself collecting 'jammies' to be honest. Not my IP :-)
Other option could be AO's engine revamp. PotBS and TR both flunked the grade on both Engine and Gameplay imo. Earthfall may be something. Aion's pretty close to the GW art-style but looks to be yet another Korean Grindfest. Gameplay does matter a bit you know.
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| 07/14/08 05:38 |
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing why Vanguard had me not spoiled at all. I think it is all the small details of AOC. The world is simply much fuller and that gives it the life like feel, I think.
And I am not looking beyond AOC either. Not much use to it. I'll get there when I get there. The only game I am really looking forward to is the revamped AO. Everything else I'll just try (maybe) when it hits the shelves and/or friends start playing and enjoying it.
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| QUOTE | | Duke Nukem Forever coming out in the same month |
I haven't followed the news no, did they actually set themselves a release date? Have they committed the ultimate sin?
I like Guild Wars, but then again no offense ''you'' RPG'ers outrank and outgame me in most aspects, you see, Guild Wars is easily said my first Online-RPG, but i treat it entirely different then i'd do to a single-player one, say Fall Out, KotoR or something in that area, i just don't and can't get into the game, infact, im never even trying, too much people around and in the ways they respond to things just make it seem less like a game and more like the Internets, where everything should be taken lightly and non-serious.
That said, the only way i could immerge myself into any proper RPG is that i'd lock myself away from a game's human population, and then hope the NPC's make a realistic appearance, so wether the game is cartoony or tries to look real with complete body anatomy, i'l still treat it like the game it is, and not the RPG some would have it.
Don't think i can really give off my point here, but maybe i just said the rough idea behind it.
The good thing is that you can make other players Grief without ever really caring, its the Internet, it is made of LOLZ and Puppies.
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| 07/15/08 04:46 |
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lani
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And that my friend is the difference between a free to play game like GW and a monthly fee game.
Type of community is completely different. Although, the main-stay communities are becoming more and more GW-like, in part due to ex-GW players realizing their budget can actually sustain $0,50 per day.
But I can relate to the impossibility for true immersion you encounter. One does have to put up with and be able to ignore other people in an MMORPG as well as in GW. Though the latter does make it a lot harder.
To be honest, I suspect WAR to be a lot more like GW in this respect than the more immersive games out there. Not because of the cartoony looks, but the whole setup. It's less Dark Age of Camelot and more GW's style. Including some mediocre player punishing PVP elements I'm sad to say. DAoC let everyone contribute.
Anyhoo, AoC currently rules my (online) world. To me it's different from "The Internetz" as the monthly fee makes it more a private club than a schoolyard :-)
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| QUOTE | Don't think i can really give off my point here, but maybe i just said the rough idea behind it.
The good thing is that you can make other players Grief without ever really caring, its the Internet, it is made of LOLZ and Puppies. |
I hear you, forumite! I never really played GW so I don't know how it is there exactly, but I have seen enough on GW@GA to some idea. One of the first things I usually do in any MMO is moving the general chat into a separate window so I don't get internetzed. Probably you now think why I would be playing and paying an MMO if I don't want to hear what other people say. I do it because I really want to hear a select group of players/friends. And because I like to play together with random other people. When doing something together there is usually less internetzing going on. But if there is than that is too bad. That day the fun what a bit less that other times. You can't get a perfect world all the time.
My point is brought out a bit weak too, I think. Much weaker actually. Maybe I am just trying to convince you to give it a try and see what I mean and such. As soon as the buudy program gets active I am going to twist your arm and make sure you visit us in game.
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| 07/15/08 07:25 |
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Yup, the graphics are truly stunning. I loved them so much I went out and built a new machine just get more of them. Everything just looks gorgeous (wow, I had no idea how much I was missing with grass turned off)...well, before the last patch anyhow; that screwed up stuff but good, lol.
The only other game I'm looking forward to seeing more of is Stargate:Worlds. Since you have to go through gates, I'm hoping they can make a more instanced/open world feel to things. Unfortunately, the pics I've seen so far look more like TR/Hellgate, but here's to hoping they push the textures some more. :)
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| 07/15/08 12:04 |
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| QUOTE | | And that my friend is the difference between a free to play game like GW and a monthly fee game. |
I don't think it really matters depending on the community, where one person rage quits there is the same as another place, or when one noob goes Leeroy in GW's, we already seen the prime example starting in WoW.
Plus i might aswell just add that it goes against my principles to get into roleplaying, and by that, i mean ROLEPLAYING, really, the people that say ''this is my character, this is his/her's accomplishments, and yesterday the great [name here] fought the evil [name here]'' it doesn't work for me, im probably offending a bunch of people on this forum right now, need i remind you that is a personal opinion, you may laugh at me in another way you see fit, feel free, i dont mind sharing fun to both sides XD
Anyways, i never said those people need to get a live, its a choice you make and a choice you are happy with, im called Happily Insane, you think i'd even think about that for a minute, no thank you Sir, i got a life to live.
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| QUOTE | Plus i might aswell just add that it goes against my principles to get into roleplaying, and by that, i mean ROLEPLAYING, really, the people that say ''this is my character, this is his/her's accomplishments, and yesterday the great [name here] fought the evil [name here]'' it doesn't work for me, im probably offending a bunch of people on this forum right now, need i remind you that is a personal opinion, you may laugh at me in another way you see fit, feel free, i dont mind sharing fun to both sides XD
Anyways, i never said those people need to get a live, its a choice you make and a choice you are happy with, im called Happily Insane, you think i'd even think about that for a minute, no thank you Sir, i got a life to live. |
What makes you think you are offending anybody here? You should play your games the way you feel like playing them. It would be crazy if anybody would tell you (or me, or anybody for that matter) how they should enjoy their game. We are all posting away on this forum because we apparently are interested what the others think. Otherwise we wouldn't be here.
I am one of those crazy people that could say 'yesterday the great [name here] fought the evil [name here]'. Because I have no clue how to swing a sword. To me playing an RPG is like an interactive movie. And I doubt you have ever said 'yesterday I fought the evil [name here]' after watching a movie.
I am not trying to convince you of anything though. You can even call me crazy. I am not going anywhere, and neither are you, I think. We just have a different of enjoying our online games.
Only thing I didn't understand was what you meant with 'i got a life to live'. Do you mean that although we might spend the same amount of time playing online games I have no life and you do?
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| 07/15/08 16:10 |
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| QUOTE | | Only thing I didn't understand was what you meant with 'i got a life to live'. Do you mean that although we might spend the same amount of time playing online games I have no life and you do? |
Hahaha, an error on my side, i see now why the mistake is made so often, no i mean i get out alot, that's what keeps you out of something aswel. My bad there XD
What also probably keeps me from getting into an MMORPG is my variation of games, though i might appear online alot on GW's for example, i play a ton of other games per day, usually 20-30 minutes for each, big variation, so that also adds to it i guess, one moment its this, then its that.
Do must saying playing an FPS after you just had one of the most annoying noob encounters in an MMORPG can be very, very stress relieving.
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| 07/15/08 18:17 |
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Ok, so Forumite's a closet Hardcore Casual Gamer :-)
Not enough to get out of the arm-twisting though...
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| 07/15/08 18:28 |
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Sometimes the internetz aspect of mmo gaming really gets to me, but as Phe said it's really very easy to be selective who's chat you have active, I'll often have all chat off and just have Guild chat running. There is a big difference between the gaming communities though, the night before last a long conversation took place in OOC about one of the NPC quest givers who casually drops it into the conversation that his lover is male, the conversation centered along the lines of how it fitted perfectly well with the world funcom has created and that historicly it was far more accurate, imagine that conversation in GW.....or actually don't. I guess as we are on an RP server though that accuracy of the world portrayed and therefore the immersion factor is a little more important to people.
I'm lacking my usual MMO alternative as far as gaming goes, throughout most of GW I always had a single player game going as a more relaxing and different alternative, not an FPS fan though it was things like RCT3 and its expansions or Evil Genius, I haven't seen anything around lately I fancy playing amongst single player games :( oh wait - must finally get myself a copy of Portal.
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AoC has me hooked for the time being as well =) The graphics and gameplay are stunning, beautiful and fun. The only thing that at times gets to me is the level req in order to move on in your destiny storyline... That sometimes gets on my nerves. It removes my sense of free roaming which i love.
As for single player RPG's; yea.... they stopped making those when MMO was invented... SP-RPG's like Sudeki, Prince of Persia, Neverwinter Nights, Rayman, the Hobbit, Spellforce, Sacred and Thief (part 3 though.... the first 2 were pretty bad...) kept me late up at night =) But those are totally different than the current MMO's; however they had quests and some had an interactive world; there was a fixed storyline to follow and therefore they had a lifespan of about 2 weeks. The biggest pro of MMO in my opinion is that it keeps being interesting for a lot longer then SP's due to interactivity with the world and players.
FPS is not for me..... tried those; never got me hooked. After having shot about 356 and a half person it gets boring.. but that's me personally =)
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Lacking some of the maturity EG mentions, but still a good example of a global conversation you'd never be able to hold over an Open Channel in GW:
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| QUOTE | Ok, so Forumite's a closet Hardcore Casual Gamer :-)
Not enough to get out of the arm-twisting though... |
Just shoot me behind the shed, quick.
~Lucky Mac Luckerton~ PH.D In Awesome, M.A. In Madness, B.A. In Relax (with a minor in World Domination)
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | Ok, so Forumite's a closet Hardcore Casual Gamer :-)
Not enough to get out of the arm-twisting though... |
Just shoot me behind the shed, quick. |
No no no no.
The idea is to mug you in an alley by the harbor in Tortage :-)
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You know its funny, after playing Crysis and Bioshock, I tried playing HL2 and I just couldn't get into it b/c of the dated (well... not that much but still) graphics. And now that I haven't touched either of those in a good month, I went back and tried it again and I loved it so... not sure maybe it just takes some time to get off a graphical "high"?
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| 07/19/08 00:39 |
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I'm pretty sure there's such a thing as a graphical high.
I find it easier to start up and play an older game when it has a rather specific look and feel that is not graphics-card / engine dependent than those where the graphics engine aimed at "realism". If it's toony in some way there really is more longevity than with realistic engines.
In the end it's the gameplay that'll draw me back in though, which adds to games with realistic engines and rather similar gameplay suffering. I'm more likely to fire up the original Aliens vs Predator FPS (2000 or so?) than UT2004.
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Hmm... but also when I look at games that are meant to be unreal and fanciful (did I really just use that word?) that are new like Team Fortress 2, and then look at WoW I just can't look at WoW very long, not just b/c its... you know.... bad, but b/c it is so obviously dated.
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| QUOTE | | and then look at WoW I just can't look at WoW very long, not just b/c its... you know.... bad, but b/c it is so obviously dated. |
Maybe it's just that you've outgrown Disney and like Dreamworks more now? :-)
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | and then look at WoW I just can't look at WoW very long, not just b/c its... you know.... bad, but b/c it is so obviously dated. |
Maybe it's just that you've outgrown Disney and like Dreamworks more now? :-) |
lmao, when I was like 10 =P
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Myst IV was the graphical high for me but then it was point and click 'adventure' rather than free roam, the inclusion of real life actors added to the immersion, it was more like being in a movie and it was rather well acted, I actually felt sorry for one of the nutty sons while he read extracts from his diary about his isolation and ensuing observations of the wildlife....we wont mention Myst V though because it was crap :)
Gameplay wins at the end of the day no matter how pretty the graphics, WoW's graphics are well known to be utter pants, honestly even at max some of those ground textures looked like an early exercise in photoshop for junior school kids, how the hell they made it in to the game I'll never understand (I'm talking BC here). WoWs gameplay although it has it's moments quickly became very tiresome for me, it's something I could return to for a couple of hours once in a blue moon but it's all about a repetitive endgame and the journey just isnt good enough.
Myst online never lived up to it's promise, well it never really lived, that kind of non-linear puzzle solving just can't be translated into an MMO, it would just be a pretty world to hang out in with people who like hanging out in pretty worlds, let's hope AoC doesn't end up like that as atm nobody (probably not even Funcom) knows what the endgame is really going to be like...
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