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unstopablefox

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PLing thoughts?

Hello my fellow heroes.. Just wanting to start a post here to see what your thoughts are on PLing. I know the DEV's don't like it and most 50's will curse on your grave for even thinking of asking (read most of their discriptions). Here is my take on it. For me, I am always willing to help a fellow hero. Especially if they have a high level alt already and are just trying to get some lvls on their new toon. In my opinion it is your choice how you want to play the game. If you want to miss out on all the story content that's your loss. And in the case of the above mentioned, they have already seen the game content so it's not important. I will usually help someone if they ask me. With inf or lvling. However it also depends on how you ask. I don't help people who just walk up and say "give me some inf". Your probably not going to get very far with that approach. I do not Pl myself very often. I have done it a few times, and all have been from blind invites while I was looking for a team. There are some nice people out there who randomly pick people to PL. Usually if I ask it's a trade. I will PL them on a different server in exchange or something along those lines. After all PLing is no fun. The fun in the game comes from the playing of your toon and meeting other people and creating friends and teams. Anyways, that's my thoughts on it. Let me know what you all think. And feel free to look me up in game anytime.

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05/28/05 00:53

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Re: PLing thoughts?

Heh,

Silly what a silly person I am? I would never even think about Power Leveling. Thought never crosses my mind until some one metions it and then, poof, what was this thread about?

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05/28/05 06:57

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Re: PLing thoughts?

I PL'd a bit but mostly Bridging. The PL'ing was fellow SG members and never had much sucess at it. The Bridging I did was mostly in the 44-46 and I only did it when I would have 3 or less bars needed to level.

I in general dont advocate constant PL'ing but a little here and there wouldnt hurt anyone. Its just the a little much when you PL every level, never use your powers/ understand them, and get people killed because of stupidity. I dont think that PL'ing is this evil atrocity that brings the game into the depths of Hellion Underworld! If someone Pl's then let them PL. If they dont bother you or grief you over it then ignore them.

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05/28/05 09:12

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Re: PLing thoughts?

I don't see the fun at all in PL-ing, but that is just personal. The game is just as fun at level 1 as it is at level 40. Actually the lower levels are probably more fun. So why PL? But if somebody has the need to rush through the levels let him be. I don't think that PL-ing should be disallowed, because the PL freaks will find other ways to make the game about xp in stead of fun. Let them PL in their missions, and leave me happily hero away.

05/28/05 10:33

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Re: PLing thoughts?

Well having my 50 I frequently get asked for PL's. Sapph isn't even an ideal character for PLing but hey, I guess beggars can't be choosers.

1. I NEVER lvl anyone more than 1 lvl, that's just my own personal thing. I've been known to offer it to other trollers that are stuck at lvl 31, before we become truly useful.

2. i NEVER PL anyone that asks for it. I had a "discussion" with a guy in Talos the other day, he as offering 10k a lvl ro go from 12-16... to me those are not hard lvls to get, and in Talos, 10k a lvl is not impressive. I mentioned this too him, and he said, "well I'm not begging, I'm offering to pay." It's the same thing. If you're asking for a PL, no matter what you're offering in return, a retun PL or $ or nothing at all... you're begging.

See I worked hard for my 50, and I've earned the 23 lvls on my WS, and all the lvls on my other characters too. That's part of the fun. Which is why I won;t lvl anyone more than one lvl, you can't be sending a broadcast all over a zone looking for a PL, if you actually see me, and ask me for some help, the fisr thing I'm gonna ask is "how far are you from your next lvl?" Cause if you're more than 5 bubbles (3 after 40) then I'm going to refuse.

If someone is truly stuck on a mission, I will offer my expertise. And frequently I'll get invtied for a mission on my WS and it'll be too hard for everyone, the mission will go south and I'll ask the leader (or owner of the mission) if they want it over and done with, especially if it's timed, and there's no way we could power through the mission in time. THEN I will offer my 50's services. But that's not PLing... but I wanted to add it here so I don;t seem like a total hard ass. :)

Yes, I think helping other heroes is a good thing, I just think in the grand scheme of things, you should probably be helping the heroes closer to you lvl. Like I said I probably will not PL someone if they're under lvl 30, just becuase it takes almost no work to get to 20, and onlyh a little to get to 30.

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05/28/05 11:21

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Re: PLing thoughts?

I have a confession to make, I tried PLing.

It's boring as all get out. Truely, honestly, BORING.

I would much rather take a SK and assist my mentor, running with the big dogs and taking possible risks then Power Level and just stand there sucking up exp.

My emp defender winds up outleveling her missions becase..well...she's a support player. She's often asked to run with teams 2-4 levels higher then her and can keep everyone alive without a second thought.

My blaster is an AOE killer extraordinaire. I'ld rather SOLO with him, or team up with a tanker and defender and soak up mad exp that way then sit there while someone else does the work.

My two scrappers are soloists. They do just fine (my kitana even moreso now that I picked up the lotus drops to make wiping out mobs easier). With a good team he's the boss killer who can stand toe to toe with red bosses with little problems whittling them down.

Honestly, PLing is bloody friggin boring. I would MUCH rather PLAY the game, then have a lvl 50.

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05/28/05 16:50

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Re: PLing thoughts?

Great points, one and all! I agree with the fact that the 1st levels are the most fun and the fact that it's no fun PLing. You don't get to use your powers and miss out on all that gameplay. As a matter of fact I find myself creating new alts on other severs just to play the first levels again. And about the paying for PLing. That would never work because most high levels have more influence than they know what to do with anyway. And someone mentioned there support character basically getting PL'd. Tanks have this advantage as well. You can always team up with levels +4 to +6 to you if your built right. So your basically PLing all the time. Look at how many 50 fire tanks there are hanging out in PI on any givin day. Thanks for the good points.

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05/28/05 23:04

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Re: PLing thoughts?

In my personal opinion PL'ing is boring, however, i have done the Dreck farm a couple of times but have turned it down more times than i can count. As for PL'ing people my self, I'm always willing to help any friend that is a good player and will listen to some sound advice. For example, I helped a friend lvl her fire/fire blaster twice in about 4-5 missions, went from 18-20, but she pulled her weight, didn't run around screaming for heals from the def, knew when to run, when to stick around and listened when i informed her of the bad things these mobs she had never faced, could do to her, i.e the awful AOE's of the Nemesis. She didnt die once and was a tremendous help to the team. I have also given out around 2 mil inf to my friends. I can also agree that the manner in which they ask can get them shot down in a heartbeat. I had a lvl 5 ask me for some inf and I kindly explained to him that i was broke myself. But people pay to play and PL'ing will continue on, whether you like it or not, until the devs make it go away.

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05/29/05 02:22

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Re: PLing thoughts?

Sound like a stand up hero. I am like you in those regards. And if I do anything it's SKing, like you mentioned. So it's not really PLing in the true sense. I pull my weight with the rest of the team. Good point about the higher baddies. Alot of newer players are virgins to the amount of holds the upper level mobs use. That can really = death for a blaster. Look me up some time. I just started a fire/fire tank on Freedom yesterday.

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05/29/05 03:15

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Re: PLing thoughts?

Powerleveling as you pointed out leads to people missing content and typically not having as much fun. Now if you're at a point where you have finished all the story arcs and simply need to bridge that gap to the new contact than PL actually helps to avoid tedium.

However powerleveling is often done repeatedly by folks who aren't concerned with content and saddly the end result of helpping compulsive powerlevelers is that they'll turn around and get bored once they hit 50 and claim that there is no content in the game. They then go and tell their friends or complain on the forum which puts people off the game.

So PLing in context is really the issue here, its fine as far as I'm concerned in moderation but it shouldn't be something you do most of the time.

I'm glad that the devs are making powerleveling hard, because frankly it deters the lazy people from not bothering with the content who just want to level. However compulsive powerlevelers will always fine inventive ways around the restrictions.

05/29/05 04:53

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Re: PLing thoughts?

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I truly appreciate the compliment. And your right about alot of newer players not knowing the dangers that await them in the high game. I tend to drive my teammates crazy cause every 5 seconds I'm complaining about Sappers. But who really likes them anyways. I look forward to teaming with you one day. Just give me a name and a time and I'll try my best to be there.

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05/29/05 07:00

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Re: PLing thoughts?

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However powerleveling is often done repeatedly by folks who aren't concerned with content and saddly the end result of helpping compulsive powerlevelers is that they'll turn around and get bored once they hit 50 and claim that there is no content in the game. They then go and tell their friends or complain on the forum which puts people off the game.

So PLing in context is really the issue here, its fine as far as I'm concerned in moderation but it shouldn't be something you do most of the time.

Yeah you do see alot of complaints about that on main forums. If you think about it, Kheldians are more content, just not for your 50. The every 5 level missions from your orginal Kheldian contact is pretty cool. Plus they arent ordinary missions (tilesets, enemies). I would imagine by the middle to end of 2006 the level cap will be raised.

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05/29/05 09:10

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Re: PLing thoughts?

I think that PLing is a bit overdone. I mean you can go around in the Atlas Park as anything over the level of 30 and you will get SOO many tells about being asked to PL. Now that is just SAD!
But I myself have a confession to make. I too have been PLed. It was way back in my debt days as a Blaster. But have not done it in 2 months!
So all you high levels lets help these guys just not too much.

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05/29/05 10:06

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Work for PL

Funny thing about being a good tanker is that people several levels higher than you generally get your help. I'm always approached by 28-30s to help on missions (I'm only 24 to date) and can hold my own fairly well. In exchange, I'm gaining awesome experience from missions and leveling faster.

I don't really see this as PLing, since I'm in the thick of things, usually having to hold of hordes of guys while the rest take a breather for a min. I don't mind. It's my job. And I'm getting paid damn well to do it.

But I disagree with people who want to do that whole "Take me with on your missions so I can get the Xp but I'll just wait at the door." or "I'll hang out 200yds away while you put yourself in danger to get my Xp."

I don't agree with it that way. Work for your meal. And if you don't want to, don't team with other players. Can't count the number of times I've been killed cause someone doesn't know how to use their powers appropriately.

And another thing: When people get others into the game, don't powerlevel them so that they'll be the same level as you. They're only going to cause havoc since they know nothing about the game. Make a new character and build up with them.

That's my rant for the day, thank you and good night.

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05/29/05 11:57

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Re: PLing thoughts?

I personally dony like it. I jave sometimes anchored, but only for the money and at very low lvls. Its gets boring sometimes, because you can only hunt. SO I dont do it anymore, it takes all the fun away, and dont plan on PLing ever.

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05/29/05 12:46

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Re: PLing thoughts?

I don't have a problem with people PLing, if they want a level 50 character they can stand around Atlas with so their esteem and ego can get a boost, more power to them. Since I don't accept blind invites to team, I don't worry about playing with a level 50 that only has the VIP badge.

I confess though, also...I have bridged (which is also PLing), it's no big deal, I got 4 levels out of it, but, didn't lose any content from it and it was, as all the others said, boring as hell. Yeah, I got 4 levels and an extra power out of it, but, in the long run with the people I team with, it would have taken me 2 days to get the same thing I got in 4 hours and it would have been much more fun.

As an after thought, I wish I would have bridged my AR blaster instead of my Illusion alt (which I don't play any more), I would rather have gotten Full Auto then Phantasm! LOL!!

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05/29/05 17:46

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Re: PLing thoughts?

I don't have much to say about PLing because I'm fuzzy on the concept. How is it different from SKing or seeking optimal xp-per-minute? The other day I took a toon from lvl 10 to 12 by doing Frostfire three times in a row; was that PLing? I'll say no.

But what I did want to comment on was this:

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I disagree, if only because I have a lot more single-digit alts than 20-ups, so I've seen the low-level content over and over. At least the first few levels are rewarding, in that you can grind up to level 5 in one sitting. And it's nice that the earliest door missions now have distinctive atmospheric FX, like the drug lab and the magic office; after that, it's the tedious warehouse/office/sewer/cave scene for a long stretch.

05/29/05 21:40

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Re: PLing thoughts?

This topic has been visited many many times. Everyone has a fairly different opinion of what power leveling means. However, I think this is the general accepted definition:

Powerleveling = Reward without risk.

Expanding on that, it basically means, sidekicking or bridging someone, them standing at the entrance to a mission while you/your group completes it...or hearding a huge number of hunted beasties while someone stands at a safe distance while you "arrest/defeat/whatever" them.

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05/29/05 23:18

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1st to Madphinger: The force truely is strong with you. I wil try to be on tomorrow night 5-30-05 at 10pm central with this alt PL BOT2. I am making this alt with the sole purpose of helping other players in all forms PLing, Inf, Debt clearing, etc. I included TP in his build so i can escort lower level heroes as well. You can send me a tell or add me to global. Now to the question of what is PLing. To me PLing is being bridged into a high level mission or being the bridge and sitting back and doing nothing to help. Like others have stated. Someone mentioned playing with a tank. While that is not PLing due to the fact you are doing work. Tanks are well known to be the fastest to level do to the fact they quote un-quote PL throughout the game. My invul tank operates this way. I will get a blind invite from a group of +5s or 6s wanting me to help with a mission. With invul I usually don't even take damage at this range unless the baddies are using Psi attacks. This may explain that on any given day in PI you will see a abundance of tanks hanging around as if it's a tank retirement village. On another point it seems that most people I have talked to either here or on the COH site all say pretty much the same things. Everyone says they don't agree with it all the time yet everyone has done it at one time or another. I am getting the vibe that most people don't care but it's something that has gotten a bad rep and no one want's to admit they do it....Thanks for all the imput..

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05/29/05 23:33

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Re: PLing thoughts?

I think, for the most part, people don't care about PLing if it doesn't inconvenience them. Meaning, that if you're in PI getting constant tells from lowbies asking to be powerleveled, etc. Also, I think it doesn't bother people as long as the person being leveled actually participates. Such as being sidekicked, etc.

05/30/05 09:26

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Ok I am gonna put in my two cents now. Personally I love the game content of CoH. I played WoW and think thta CoH whoops up on that game. My highest character is only level 24 but I do not think PLing is cool. Personally, I would rather get influence from a high level toon with the extra influence than get PLed (which by the way I need some lol). PLing just takes away from the game play and I think that the ONLY time you should PL is...well...never. just my opinion though...oh and to quote from gameME4090 from earlier

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05/31/05 07:49

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Re: PLing thoughts?

Now hold on a second - people PAY for this game and pay to play it every month. I think it's up to them individually to decide what is fun and what isn't fun. Isn't it????

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06/03/05 16:33

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Re: PLing thoughts?

True, but this isn't about whether PL'ing is legal. It's about our personal opinions of PL'ing and the people who do it.

I have a much narrower view than many as to the definition of Power Leveling. You are Power Leveling if you are added to a team specifically for the purpose of gaining experience out of proportion with the risks involved.

Standing at the mission door while others do the fighting is PL'ing.

Joining a team with an average level 4 higher than yours, with the intent to actually help them Farm Hydra is not Power Leveling. It's still Farming, but it's not Power Leveling.

Bridging is not Power Leveling, if the sidekicked character is actually participating. Gaining experience this way may be faster than normal, but on the other hand the risks are not low. If a Bridged character stands back and just heals, snipes or guards the door, then it's Power Leveling. Bridging to be with your SG is not PL'ing.

Finally, joining a higher level team that needs your skills, which you can provide effectively, is not power leveling. Just because healers are in demand with higher level teams does not mean they are constantly PL'ing; they are constantly pushing the envelope and earning that XP.

In short, if you are taking the risks yourself and helping the team, whatever the team needs you to do, you are not PL'ing.

As for my views on PL'ing, I believe it has its uses on occasion, but it is far overused by people who think that leveling their characters is an end in itself. If I need to level in a hurry for some reason, I prefer to do it by Farming, rather than Power Leveling. You won't catch me just standing around watching others do all the Farming, either; I even Farm solo with my Defender!

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06/03/05 17:22

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Re: PLing thoughts?

I have kind of mixed feelings about the power leveling thing.

I think it would be really cool if, sort of like the Epic Classes at level 50 (Peacebringer and Warshades) that players were able to gain power pools at level 1/2. OR that they were able to start characters off at level 14. This would be ONLY after you've leveled a character to 50. This would eliminate the powerleveling that some people do just to get past the first 14 levels until they get the travel power.

I'm not sure though. I'm against PLing to a point, but understand it's use to a point as well. I think it's useful if used in moderation.

06/04/05 01:44

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Re: PLing thoughts?

I have really learned a lot about PLing in the past week as i got my Fire tank to lvl 41 and received my first tell to bridge for a Dreck run. After they explained to me that I was just SKing alowbie at the the start of the mish and doing nothing else, I was hesistant but said sure, what the hell. I soon realized that this practice is very common and the bridge gets great exp as well, as I lvled 4 times while doing this in one day. (and my wife was happy as I was able to mow the grass, clean the bathroom, mop the floors vacuum the floors, and do the dishes; all while gaining exp) After this I started doing mission after mission the normal way and have now become within 5 bubs til the coveted lvl 50. Now the fun begins, because as a fire tank, I get about 20 tells to PL, herd, or "are you doin Dreck runs". So I end up having to hide myself on global to avoid all the tells. I've never had a problem with PLing, as my SG does it for each other to boost certain toons to enable us to do TFs together, but I do feel that going around as a lvl 1 in PI asking for it is just not right. Because of all these lowvies running around doing this, some lvl 50 tanks get angry and end up "Training Monsters" to the portal courtyard to cause massive deaths to all b4 they even realize whats going on. I myself would never do this as I have more important things to do then cause trouble for people and give mytself a bad reputation.
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Re: PLing thoughts?

I agree with many of you, I have little use or interest in PL. I do beleive in PLing the "9's" meaning i'm 29 and cant get a mish till 30 and need 1/2 level or so, beyond that I dont care for it. I'm too ADD to farm a mish more than 2 runs, it's too repetative. I dont like PL tells, hate PL broadcasts and despise Pl invites. Especially when my message said No Pl, no farm, no bridge dont even ask.

As far as the idea of early pools after you have a 50 and at least the khelds start with travel, thougth they may cause people to PL to get one. might be nice to have an accomplishment/TF gained Arctype so you are forced to do something.

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06/06/05 11:18

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Re: PLing thoughts?

I think its alright to PL as long as its not your main. Like if you wanna join a SG with another char and they are on level 20 then you gotta PL a little to catch up. If the char is just for fun. Never PL your main...that totally cheapens the game experience.

06/06/05 16:19

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Re: PLing thoughts?

Ok - stupid question. What is 'Bridging and Farming'???

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06/06/05 17:28

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Re: PLing thoughts?

There's no such thing as a stupid question; just a noob question.

Farming is the practice of sending someone to gather up the enemy and lead them into your ambush. If you have a team with lots of AoE attacks and a good tanker, you can have everyone wait in a narrow place for the tanker to come back with foes by the hundreds. The foes all gather in the overlapping AoE powers and drop like flies.

Bridging is the practice of sidekicking someone who would normally be too low in level to play in a high level zone. It's most common in PI. If you see a 6th level character in PI, he's probably bridged.