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clint_strongblade

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henchmen or real players

which do u perfer henchmen or real players? Henchmen-weaker and they dont talk much but they do do their job. real players it really depends on who your playing with in my opinion some of them do their job some dont, but this isnt rally about my opinion tell me what u think.

07/12/05 19:26

Princess

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Re: henchmen or real players

I like the henchmen. They do their jobs, let me explore, and don't act stupid.

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07/12/05 20:17

clint_strongblade

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Re: henchmen or real players

yes that is true good point. i prefer henchmen too, but really not all players act stupid. so i guesse if you do prefer playing with other players you have to be carfull who you take with you

07/12/05 20:38

clint_strongblade

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yes that is true good point. i prefer henchmen too, but really not all players act stupid. so i guesse if you do prefer playing with other players you have to be carfull who you take with you

07/12/05 20:38

Swamp_Fox

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Re: henchmen or real players

missions i take players. sometimes i henchmen if i cant get a certain class i need

for exploring and getting new towns. i just grab henchmen and run. if i cant do that i will buy a run. im not the type of person who will make a grp to reach a town =/ would rather shell out the 1,000gold and get there.

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07/12/05 21:24

navymrgoodbar

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Re: henchmen or real players

This is what I think of henchmen:

In the beginning: Stupid.
In the end: Smart.

I LOVE having both healing and protecting henchies. In the Dragon's Lair I had nothing but henchies and the healing & protector henchies kept the entire team alive until the boss fight which she killed them both in one hit. :(

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07/12/05 23:04

Dasha

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Re: henchmen or real players

I used to like henchies but now im likeing human players alot better.. Its pretty easy to weed out the bad players.. just get into the habit of forming your own groups.. but the key part is to ask questions to the players you are going to invite. I usually ask Can you Listen and follow orders?.... right off the bat they know you mean business... and just expand from there

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07/13/05 09:13

Swamp_Fox

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Re: henchmen or real players

henchmen are more reliable. if you want to do a mission the henchmen will get it done, it may take 3 times as long but you wont have people complaining ect. such as they want to enter battle with Full mana only (necromancer) and will say wait after you already pull, and starts yelling at grp that she said wait. henchmen imo are really nice, but in some occasions, like when u die on a run and the hench runs back and fourth between 2 corpses and cant decide which one to rez it gets very annoying

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07/13/05 09:31

LowBudgetGamer

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Re: henchmen or real players

I find that mostly all the groups i have formed dont seem to take orders(or even listen to common sence) well.
Either they dont take the game seriously(it is just a game but damn) or they just have an attitude/1 man army mentality.

Take army style bootcamp for instance, mostly all dis-respectful and headstrong to their DS(drill sargent). If the DS cant get them to take order through the simple fact he has been there before and he knows whats what,he then needs to use the intimadation card,get in there face,make them wash the bathroom,ect.

Its kinda hard to get any1(ingame or in forums) to give respect over the internet.

So yeah i guess henchies are my perfered choice.

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07/13/05 11:28

redkitten2704

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I like the henchman .. though sometimes it is nice if you can get a combination of the to. I will take the healer henchman and grab a few real people to join in. But, it does all depend on who your playing with. Guess it all comes down to personal preference - red

07/13/05 22:57

SoloDuDe

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I LOVE HENCHMEN! because they focus fire and dont do bs during the mission. Except i hate the healer hench. She fights too much, doesnt focus on healing.

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07/14/05 08:10

SoloDuDe

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well, also at like the end of the game like hells precipe and ring of fire and those places you get the good hench :) Brother menlo, devona and those trainers at pre searing! they pwn

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07/14/05 08:11

duvet

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Re: henchmen or real players

I prefer henchmen namely due to the fact henchmen dont quit mid game, play poorly, and that they know their jobs.

However, I have a lot more fun with real players.

My rule of thumb is as follows:

All quests - henchmen (except Galrath: party from ToA)
Pre-desert - henchmen
Post-desert - mainly players

The problem and the strength of this game is that it is PvP oriented and as such it is very very easy to get a PvE char to lv 20 (I have done it in 17 hrs gameplay without trying, I am sure it could be done in 1/2 the time) therefore you will meet both good and quite frequently what a more experienced player would call a bad player in parties, simply due to their lack of PvE experience.

The challenge/fun comes in how you interact positively with both. Although missions pre-desert just arent worth the hassle as they are all very easily finished with the correct set up and henchmen. Plus imo by playing with henchmen only early on it allows you to see the potential strengths and weaknesses of your chosen character.

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07/16/05 19:18

Tyrus_Oris

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Re: henchmen or real players

I prefer real players. Adds kind of a tale to it. Also keeps me company. When im in the cities I just ask them to exsplore a part. Like one me and a few people went all the way to the ice spot. It was fun except we died lol.

07/21/05 08:44

grandpa_moses

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Re: henchmen or real players

As a third opinion, I sometimes go without either. If you go post-searing at lvl 4, you can take the lvl 4 devourers and get 100exp. You get more item drops, and I have netted two black dyes doing this (more drops=higher chances). In this game, I am a noob in so many respects, but this is working for me. If there is better strategies, I would like to hear them, but don't flame me because you don't like my strategy.

If you don't like my strategy, tell me what works for you, and I'll try it. I am here to learn, not teach.

07/22/05 07:25

SnuktheGreat

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Re: henchmen or real players

I like players better, but those are players I know and not just some idiots that run in and make fools of them selfs. So if I should choose between unknow people or bots I think I would pick bots for quests and people for missions.

Anyway, when I do missions its often with guildmembers and quest often alone or with guildmembers who need the quest too.

And I cant believe that youre a n00b and got 2 black dyes... I never got one (!) black dye and I got 2 lvl 20's and 2 other chars and one which was lvl 16 but I deleted that one to make place for one of those 2 :P. Life is unfair :'(.

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07/23/05 06:26

grandpa_moses

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Yes, two black dyes! I hunt gargoyles and devourers, especially gargoyles. If this were a camp spawn situation, I wouldn't divulge this. I have netted 2 black dyes and about 5 silver, 2 reds, 1 purple, 1 green, 5 orange, and 3 yellow dyes.

One of the black dyes came from the Boss gargoyle to the left of Grendich Courthouse, the other was off a Gargoyle near the Sanitorium. I sold mine to the Dye Trader for a few 1000 (Yes, I really am a noob.)

Of course, telling my good fortune has probably caused me to never see a black dye ever again, lol.

07/24/05 11:58

SnuktheGreat

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Re: henchmen or real players

Well, in reply to the black dyes thing... I FOUND ONE :'). The first thing I did was look at the time it took me to get one, so I typed /age. Here is the result :P.

Time of capture first black dye: 261 hours and five minutes.

This time is devided over variuos characters :).

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07/25/05 13:01

Jeremy1973

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Re: henchmen or real players

This /age command.. do you type it right after you pick up the item? Or can you type that at any point in time and tell it what item you are questioning?

07/26/05 09:16

Dasha

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Re: henchmen or real players

Jeremy the /age command tells you how old your character is. I think 261 hours was his comulitive time from all his characters and he finally looted his first black dye..

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07/26/05 09:29

Chuck

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Re: henchmen or real players

Depends on what i'm doing. For quest, henchmen are in my opinion way better. However for mission, henchmen are often underleveled, and for my Mesmer(which isnt a great solo class) The use of higher leveled people are better.

I think it best depends on your class, and social preferances.

07/26/05 10:52

SnuktheGreat

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Re: henchmen or real players

QUOTE

Jeremy the /age command tells you how old your character is. I think 261 hours was his comulitive time from all his characters and he finally looted his first black dye..

Yep, thats right :)

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07/26/05 11:56

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Re: henchmen or real players

I had an interesting experience recently at Dragons Lair mission that really shed some light to the whole Henchman vs Humans debate. Typically in the past whenever I did a mission I tened towards humans because I found that I almost always didn't survive the missions with henchmen, especially when only one Mo henchman was available. I only used henchmen for farming in zones or as a escort when out exploring. I'd even use them for easy to moderate runs as decoys (don't try this for Forge run tho - they usually aggro mobs unnecessarily there).

So I was surprised when I went thru my second run of Dragon Lair to acquire the Shield of Regeneration Skill from the first dragon aspect since I wasn't intending to do the whole misison. It actually turned out to be so easy with a full team of Henchmen that I went on to complete the misison with ease. I had 2 Warriors and 2 healers, the rest were magic users and I'm a W/Mo.

The conclusion I came to is that as long as the mission is more or less linear, you can often do a mission with henchmen only.

There are drawbacks tho - I noticed more rare drops when in a human team. Henchman drops are blind too. They don't notify to you what dropped for them. In a human team, if a Monk gets a really nice Shield, you can often swap or buy the item from them since its useless to them. So if you are item hunting, you're better off in a human team.

food for thought.

07/27/05 13:23

lamakila123aminali123

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Re: henchmen or real players

i believe that players are better, although sometimes they dont do thier job, it all depends on who you choose, with henchmen you get the same characters that do not have the somtimes required instincts of a player. if you choose the right players , you will most definetly always have a more superior team then if you chose all henchmen.

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thanks

08/04/05 02:18

UCCat

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Re: henchmen or real players

humans, in a guild, on a ts channel, nothing beats it, you also get better drops if you are out farming, (from my experience) in places like the crystal desert, you go out with henchies, you are dead meat if you're a warrior, you cant protect them, they ago groups, and they run into fights too fast, it's hard to survive solo in the desert with henchies, (if you are a warrior) I cant speak much about playing a healing monk or nuker and going out with fighter/brawler/healer/archer henchies...maybe you could do better that way from the background and keep em alive

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08/04/05 13:49

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Re: henchmen or real players

I find that henchmen are great while learning the game mechanics, exploring new areas, etc, when I need more time to think or try new tactics and skills or completely new builds.

Most players either 1) know less than you and distract this learning or 2) know more than you and move too fast or denegrate your inexperience in that part of the game.

I find it's best to find a player of about the same experience in the game as me unless I just want to get through some mission or some such, then it's fine to suck up to higher level players and put up with the potential crap they can dish out to you (although some are fine, upstanding netizens...)

Once I've "been there and done that" everywhere, then it will be easier to go with player groups, but I'm not there yet. Now WoW is another story...

Side note: I do find it hard to form a group that's a mix of some AI and some players,. Players seem to resist filling in with the skills you need in order to leave the city in a reasonable time frame.

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08/17/05 22:46

esper18

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Re: henchmen or real players

I find going out with a full group of henchies is really useful when I want to get some quest done, or travel (fight) to the next area.

But other than that, I usually prefer to go out with at least a few other players, preferably friends, guildies or at least people who you have done a couple of quests with, and use henchies to fill in the gaps.

I mean I enjoy putting together a party for a mission, but monks are ALWAYS in short supply! So if you're fairly persistant or lucky, you'll pick up at least 2 healers for your 8 man group, but most of the time I end up with 6 people ready to go, and the 2 healer henchies.

Players are almost always better (really almost) espeically for difficult areas, but waiting around to get a well balanced group may result in experienced players leaving I find...

The cunning of a human mind will always outdo them if you ask me, even with crappy old n00bs in your group! A good group leader can often kick these guys out when you're in the town, or just manage the group well so it all works out.

So I like to use henchies as fillers or substitutes, but they can't compare to human players.

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08/18/05 03:05

Youngy

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Re: henchmen or real players

Henchmen-
Pros: They never leave, they dont talk too much, they get the job done and are good for filing gaps in a party.
Cons: In the desert and beyond, they suck. They are also often too lower a level to help in every quest, and they suck in missions.

Players-
Pros: Some players will know bonuses+missions, they give some character to the game and you will have a much better chance of victory with them.
Cons: Some players leave mid mission (grrr), some players are bossy boots, or others talk too much and some players are really bad at the game and die at every opportunity.

I'd go with Henchmen for pre-desert quests, but players for missions and the desert and beyond.[COLOR=blue][/COLOR]

08/18/05 03:08

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